happy to answer questions. all feedback appreciated.
potter098 57 minutes ago [-]
The drift detection angle is interesting. I'd be curious how you handle cases where two daemons touch related files — is there a way to declare ordering constraints in the .md file, or do they run in isolated branches?
rybosome 46 minutes ago [-]
Each daemon runs in its own isolate, but the output is typically shared state; eg multiple daemons contribute to the same PR from separate container runtimes.
It’s possible to make naive daemons that stomp on each other (as with a UNIX daemon), but they’re highly responsive to coordination instructions and generally do very well at additive rather than competitive contribution.
- daemons are specified by a DAEMON.md file in the repo (like skills). it's version-controlled and team-owned, not hidden in a dashboard or linked to a single developers account.
- daemons have a specialized event pipeline that joins similar webhooks events into a single daemon activation and can inject late arriving events into a daemon that's already running (this is key to avoid duplicate work and noisy actions).
- the watch conditions are a more powerful activation method because they use semantic matching and can be mixed with cron schedules.
- daemons have access to the logs from their past runs (and soon proper memory) so they can learn from their own mistakes.
newsdeskx 28 minutes ago [-]
the hook model is event-driven - something happens, hook fires. daemons sound like they're proposing a different mental model where you have persistent processes that observe and react. the difference is the same as cron vs a running service. both work but the daemon approach makes sense when you need stateful observation across multiple events rather than just per-action triggers
razvanneculai 12 minutes ago [-]
Looks pretty interesting, will try it out and give you feedback! keep up the good work.
hadn't seen this before, but it looks like the daemon schedules and watch conditions could be helpful for activating openprose contracts.
panosfilianos 1 hours ago [-]
Why couldn't these just be callable skills?
rybosome 1 hours ago [-]
Callable skills can’t activate on a schedule or listen for events. Making a daemon which invokes other callable skills is a great use case!
I’m an eng on the team that built this, in full disclosure.
Bootvis 9 minutes ago [-]
I do really like the idea.
But pardon my ignorance, but one could quite easily roll this themselves? Script the hooks and fire off a headless agent with a hook specific prompt.
rybosome 1 minutes ago [-]
Very fair question.
One could build a simple version of this easily - e.g. setup an endpoint that listens for the particular event you are concerned with, and fire off the headless agent with your hook specific prompt - but the amount of work involved to listen for that particular event while filtering out noise and orchestrating the task is actually not trivial.
Plus, that involves writing a lot of code. It's really magical to express all of this in natural language.
For example, this is the YAML frontmatter for a a daemon that keeps a GitHub PR in a mergeable state in the event of CI failures or branch base changes.
---
id: pr-mergeability
purpose: Keep non-draft pull requests mergeable and CI-green without changing PR intent/scope, while staying anchored to one trigger context per run.
watch:
- Branch sync and update events on non-draft PRs.
- Check-status signals on non-draft PRs for checks that affect mergeability.
routines:
- Resolve mechanical merge conflicts when the safe resolution is clear and preserves PR intent/scope.
- 'Apply low-risk mergeability fixes: snapshot updates, lockfile drift fixes, lint autofix, and flaky-test retries when tied to the trigger context.'
- Escalate semantic/intention conflicts between base and branch instead of auto-resolving.
deny:
- When triggered by a check-status signal, do not fix or comment on unrelated failing checks.
- Do not open new pull requests or new issues.
- Do not review, approve, or request changes on pull requests.
- Do not implement review-comment suggestion patches.
- Avoid force-push by default; if force is absolutely required, use `--force-with-lease` only after fresh remote verification.
- Do not make changes beyond mergeability maintenance.
---
Note the lack of any code or required knowledge of GitHub webhooks.
briandoll 1 hours ago [-]
Daemons are autonomous. From the site:
> Daemons are self-initiated — they observe the environment, detect drift, and act without a prompt.
- example daemon files: https://github.com/charlie-labs/daemons
- reference docs: https://docs.charlielabs.ai/daemons
happy to answer questions. all feedback appreciated.
It’s possible to make naive daemons that stomp on each other (as with a UNIX daemon), but they’re highly responsive to coordination instructions and generally do very well at additive rather than competitive contribution.
compared to routines:
- daemons are specified by a DAEMON.md file in the repo (like skills). it's version-controlled and team-owned, not hidden in a dashboard or linked to a single developers account.
- daemons have a specialized event pipeline that joins similar webhooks events into a single daemon activation and can inject late arriving events into a daemon that's already running (this is key to avoid duplicate work and noisy actions).
- the watch conditions are a more powerful activation method because they use semantic matching and can be mixed with cron schedules.
- daemons have access to the logs from their past runs (and soon proper memory) so they can learn from their own mistakes.
Are the two competitive or additive?
I’m an eng on the team that built this, in full disclosure.
But pardon my ignorance, but one could quite easily roll this themselves? Script the hooks and fire off a headless agent with a hook specific prompt.
One could build a simple version of this easily - e.g. setup an endpoint that listens for the particular event you are concerned with, and fire off the headless agent with your hook specific prompt - but the amount of work involved to listen for that particular event while filtering out noise and orchestrating the task is actually not trivial.
Plus, that involves writing a lot of code. It's really magical to express all of this in natural language.
For example, this is the YAML frontmatter for a a daemon that keeps a GitHub PR in a mergeable state in the event of CI failures or branch base changes.
Note the lack of any code or required knowledge of GitHub webhooks.> Daemons are self-initiated — they observe the environment, detect drift, and act without a prompt.